The big question I posted yesterday was:
Would you still follow a blog if you found out the writer/owner was an Atheist? How about a Buddhist? Satanist? Pagan? Wiccan? Muslim?
I make it no secret that I’m no longer a Christian (see my “Coming Out” and “Journey Away from God” posts for reference), but I haven’t talked much about my actual choice of religion (or lack thereof) because I think religion is a touchy subject … and let’s face it, I’m known to be a bit offensive at times. So steering clear of religious posts has served its purpose.
However,
when I asked this question yesterday, I was kind of upset by some of the responses. Not because I’m a Satanist (because I’m not), but because so many people were okay with every religion except Satanism.
While this woman admits her knowledge “isn’t complete”, I’d venture to say she hasn’t done any research at all. Because even a quick wiki search shows you something completely different than what she just said. And why is it okay to compare someone, based on a religious belief alone, to a pedophile, wife beater, or even a rapist?
This fan says she would follow a Wiccan or Pagan, because their religions are often misunderstood… but then goes on to say she wouldn’t follow a Satanist because they worship Satan – which isn’t even what Satanism is all about, apparently.
Christians are the only ones that I personally know of that let Satan hold this much power over them. Wouldn’t a true Christian not be afraid of a Satanist? If you’re on the Christian path, you have nothing to worry about, right? You wouldn’t read a blog based on what you think someone’s beliefs might be about?
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling these people out, which is why I hid their names. I think they were only typing what many people were thinking. But why do so many think this? Who filled their heads with such nonsense? Oh, wait, it was the Church…
Most responses did include that if someone was overtly Christian, preaching all the time, posting bible verses, etc they would stop following. Not because the blogger was Christian, but because of the context of the posts. However, the ones I cited above said they wouldn’t follow solely because of the writer’s beliefs.
This creates the real question:
What do Satanists really believe?
Like all religions, one Satanist cannot speak for all. I don’t know much about this religion, at all. I, too, was raised in church and taught to fear Satanists. I was taught they are pure evil, and they have always been depicted to me as those that sacrifice children while drinking blood or some other crazy shit. To this day, my mother cringes if you say the word “Satanist”. She has no desire to learn about what they really think, feel, and believe. To her, and to many christians, they’re simply evil.
This quote is taken from a website about Satanism:
Satanism is a federally recognized religion in at least one form; it is no more a “cult” than is any other minority religion (such as Wicca, Baha’i, Jainism, or Pantheism). Its adherents are not isolated psychopaths drooling in their basements; on the contrary, the number of publicized Satanic organizations is easily near 100 and non-publicized organizations would probably bring it up to thrice that number. Satanists tend to be of somewhat above average intelligence, judging from those people I myself have met, and successful in their current station in life. While some may indeed dress ‘goth,’ with pale makeup and dark clothing and black lipstick, and while some may indeed be heavy-metal loving teenagers, these stereotypes are just that — stereotypes. There are Satanists who love classical music and jazz, Satanists who like wearing florals, and Satanists who are distinguished business(wo)men with briefcases and portfolios.
From what I understand, Satanists worship nobody – but perhaps, themselves.
LaVeyan Satanism is a philosophy (not considered a religion by many of its followers) founded in 1966 by Anton Szandor LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and “eye for an eye” morality. Unlike Theistic Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists are atheists who regard Satan as a symbol of man’s inherent nature.[23] According to religioustolerance.org, LaVeyan Satanism is a “small religious group that is unrelated to any other faith, and whose members feel free to satisfy their urges responsibly, exhibit kindness to their friends, and attack their enemies”.[24] Its beliefs were first detailed in The Satanic Bible and it is overseen by the Church of Satan. — wiki
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by SlapDashMom
Brooke - I would follow a satanist’s blog for the same reason I follow a lesbian’s blog :) It’s not the life I live, but that doesn’t make it any less interesting. In fact, it can be nice to see an outlook from someone so different than you.
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FiveInOhio - I’m a little torn here. If the blogger was just a normal, everyday blogger who just posted about life in general and happened to say, “Hey, I’m a Satanist,” I’d follow. I’m not sure I could get behind someone who talked about nothing BUT their religion. BUT I’d be the same way about anyone who based their entire blog on their religion. I don’t like being preached at every single day about why I should believe what they believe. I’m not a practicing Christian anymore, so that’s not what it’s about, really. I guess it’s probably still that fear reaching out and grabbing me and saying it’s wrong, but as a friend, I don’t mind having friends from any sort of religion, because let’s face it, I’m not one to sit and talk about religion….much. I do enjoy learning about other religions, so I guess I’m sort of contradicting myself here. I just don’t know what I would do….. It’s still a “taboo” thing for me. BUT at least I can admit it?
Thanks for a thought provoking post this morning. Making me think at 10 AM is not a simple task!
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Elizabeth - What she said. I honestly do not care, so long as what they personally believe didn’t COMPLETELY rule their content. But then, that would venture more into the “I don’t really care for what you have to say/share” and less towards the “OMG I DON’T BELIEVE THAT WAY!!!” To me… that’s like saying “I can’t follow your blog because I like men(most days) and you like women, and well… since we’re not the same… well, ya know.” But… that’s my opinion. I have plenty of atheist, Christian, Wiccan/Pagen friends… Jews and Indians… And I don’t tell them to shut it because we believe differently. Same goes for a blog that I CHOOSE to follow. :)
SlapDashMom - Melody, you know me.. I’m not one to lie. I am 100% honest. And in staying 100% honest, I will say this post scares me a bit. Not yours, MINE. It was hard to write. When I started typing the word “Satanist” over and over again, my stomach started to churn. The brainwashing I endured for the first 22 years of my life is not all just magically gone because I left the church, and that religion. It’s still there, in the pit of my stomach. The hellfire and brimstone threats still make me nervous – not because I believe they’re real (I know better now), but it’s kind of like the “monster under the bed” feeling. I still make Rach check under the bed.. or in the closet… lol. They really drill it into your brain hardcore. :(
Deborah Rosen - I don’t follow religious blogs of any stripe. If the blogger writes on a topic that interests me, I follow (sometimes). I don’t mind a bit of religious content, not even from Satanists or Christians. As long as it’s not hateful against others, I don’t care. Maybe because I’m secure in my own faith? Who knows?
Laura Miller - I don’t really care….UNLESS they are posting a lot of Satanic posts…But, I don’t want to read a bunch of Christian posts either…It just wouldn’t interest or apply to me. NOT that there is anything wrong with anyone’s beliefs.
Genevieve - I’m just being honest here. I consider myself a Christian but I’m not practicing by any means. I wouldn’t follow a Satanists blog based on the information you provided either. I have no interest in following someone who believes in self-indulgence, that is it okay to do whatever you want (like attack your enemies just because you want to). I’m not getting into politics here (a whole other ball of wax) but I also wouldn’t follow someone who kept bringing up topics that I don’t agree with/believe in simply because that isn’t why I would follow their blog. Now, if they are a blog about recipes okay. But about their life, not so much. I believe government should get their noses out of my business and so while I support gay marriage, MOSTLY I believe government shouldn’t have anything to do with marriage in the first place! But if someone were of the opposite belief and talking down on it, I’d probably not follow that blog, even if that wasn’t what the blog was about. I recently unliked a facebook page because I disgreed with the owner on one key issue that had nothing to do with her blog. But I couldn’t stand the thought of following her any longer because it just was too close to my heart. Eh, long-winded answer to a short question, lol.
Jenn [ Crippled Girl ] - It’s interesting how the basics of “love yourself first” instead of “love your neighbor more” seem to be the gist of what separates Christianity and Satanism.
Being pagan in a VERY conservative area, I’ve known friends and family members who were called Satanists. Usually we laughed it off, with the logic that, if we believed in Satan, we would also believe in God and then why the hell would we call ourselves Pagan in the first place?
Although, I do like the idea of worshiping myself. I am pretty awesome, after all. (kidding, kidding. Not about the me-being-awesome-part, though.)
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Amber Edwards - Honestly; yes the word Satanist scares me. We’ve been taught to fear the word. but when you said Wiccan….well that didn’t bother me. I don’t understand them; but I don’t fear them. Maybe it’s because of my love for Charmed. IDK.
But honestly if I like a blog’s writing I will follow it; no matter what that person’s religion is. But that also denotes an understanding that if I like the writing it also means that they aren’t pushing their religion onto others and aren’t writing offensive content otherwise I would be following them to begin with. For me; it’s more about the content and if I enjoy reading it. Sure it’s fun to see who the person is and what they are like, but that doesn’t have any hold on weather I follow a blog or not. It’s all about the content.
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Lisa Hollis - Sadie… I think we went to the same church! Hellfire and brimstone? Honey, the Church of God dips your feet in it! I like that you make me think. But I don’t follow any religious blogs.Just one certain lesbian that still seems to have closet issues ;)
Amanda Throckmorton - It would not be wise to be friends with Pagans,Satanic followers,or Evil doers. That is becomes of Karma whatever they rub onto you it comes back three fold. Their is rules to life. Everyone strays away from their Religion because of their situation. Eventually they will come back to their understanding. If you where that sortof Satanic follower Id just have to remove you completely. I have already removed those that pose to a threat. Remember being a follower of both will land you in hell. So I see no point in this post. I love people but their is a world you do not understand,a world I have seen,creepy things in the night that will crawl under your skin at first light, and scratch you. I’ve experienced this as I am very sensitive person. Do not Tread on this POST!
Bobbie - I really wouldn’t care. Am I a Christian? Yes. Do I believe in Christians ways? Nope. I believe there is a higher power and that I have someone to turn to when I am at my lowest. I also believe that every person has a right to determine themselves who they want to worship.
Now, if every post was about sacrificing virgins or babies, then I probably would have a problem. It is funny though, when you get past your own prejudice, you realize the very people you fear, are just like you. I have friends that love just like I do, they just happen to be the same sex together. I have athiest friends, I have catholic friends, I have baptist friends, I have friends from just about every walk of life and faith. They are just like me, except not as fabulous :D haha, j/k.
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Melissa S - This does not bother me at all. Raised in a Christian home and brought up in a church, there are many things that are told to us. As an adult I believe in Christ and in God. Knowledge in religion has helped me see there are things we are never told and things we in fact…were told wrong. The pagan traditions that most churches have adopted are even unknown to most Christians that celebrate them. Knowledge is a key and is a right as humans that we all have. I did not search for knowledge in religion until the church banned my dad for being homosexual. That empowered me to learn truth, instead of following blindly. Debates are extremely healthy, however attacking someone about beliefs is not. (You are NOT doing that) This would be the only reason I would isolate myself from another person, blog, business, etc. As someone who believes in Christ it is also my belief to accept and love no matter if the other person is like me or not. I am strong enough in my faith so other religions and beliefs don’t bother me. In fact they empower me. Again these are my own personal beliefs, no judgement will I pass on another person.
Sarh S - I would follow a Satanist hands down before I’d follow a Christian! Too many Christian’s are “holly rollers”, huge hypocrites, too closed minded, etc, etc.
Tiffany Cruz - Such a touchy topic. I probably would follow her blog, if I liked her writing. I would never partake in any Satanic rituals though. I’m scared of opening a door or portal, sounds silly but I believe it’s out there and if I don’t mess with it or associate with it I’ll be fine.
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SlapDashMom - What type of Satanic rituals have you seen performed?
SlapDashMom - LOL
SlapDashMom - You’re right. We should only be friends with people that are EXACTLY like us. Thank you for your wise insight, Amanda….
Amber T - I am a Christian and I would not follow a satanist blog. I wouldn’t follow a wiccans or pagans blog though either, but more so the satanist. That’s based off the fact that I don’t want to read about their religion. I know about it. I have a friend that used to be heavily involved in the satanic church and witnessed animal sacrifices and worse. People don’t want to admit it happens but it does. I have no fear of satan, I know that he can’t touch me unless I let him and that God is mightier then he. But that doesn’t mean I want to read about it. I would be friends with someone involved in those religions based on the fact that I’m going to love you no matter what. Hopefully you’ll see the love of Christ through me and maybe it’ll make an impression on you. But I don’t have a desire to read about it on a blog where I have no personal relationship with the person. My friend’s story is mentioned on this video if you care to see it: http://furiouslove.wpfilm.com/ I’m pretty sure you can rent it from Amazon for like $1.99 or something.
Ashley S - Oh you just had to stir this pot didn’t ya haha. I actually know a few Satanist, and I wouldn’t follow it just b/c I am not into following someone that worships themselves. I have had a few to many narcissits in my life.
You are correct about them basically worshiping themselves. Other than that, I kinda don’t listen b/c I think be self absorbed is nonsense. Just MHO
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Cassie - I really can’t imagine that knowing someone’s beliefs would make me stop following their blog if it wasn’t affecting their content in a way that annoyed me.
And it seems very silly to be accepting of every thing EXCEPT Satanism. And truthfully, when I was growing up (very churched) We were taught pretty much that any religion (including various christian faiths) were cults and evil and sinners if they weren’t practicing fundamental baptist with all the little piddly “standards” that we held to.
While I am still wholeheartedly a Christian, I completely disagree with most of that “separation” stuff I was taught growing up. And as an adult, I have learned to love people. not people who agree with me….because love doesn’t really include stipulations. If a grown (presumably) sensible adult will dislike someone only once they find out about said person’s religion (especially when said religion isn’t overtly encompassing of everything they do and say) you kind of have to question their ability to reason. And unwillingness to research a religion or mindset and instead shun/unlike/unfollow a person who believes differently than you shows a distinct lack of intelligence….and might I add..”brotherly love”.
After years of believing just as I was told to, I now try my hardest to look at things through eyes of love or by trying to imagine an instance where a belief, preference, illness, or even incident in light of someone I love. a very simple example: When i am driving down the road and an ambulance comes by with their lights and sirens on I get out of the way. (and I must admit I get mad at those who don’t and slow it’s progress) If you stop and think “what if that was my mother, husband, child, etc? and they didn’t get to the hospital in time because traffic didn’t move out of the way” the same basic principle can apply to so many situations in life. Before you oughtright say “I hate: Satamism, lesbianism, people who claim to be ill all the time, cults, etc” Stop and think of what your reaction would be if your child came to you and said “I’m gay” or “I am a witch” or have a chronic illness or be overweight. I know to some those are weird things to put together. But I have seen people “against” all such things. And know so many people who are hurt and hurting as a result. As a parent, you can attempt (not necessarily advisably) to shape our children’s lives, healths, beliefs, orientations. But eventually, they will make decisions for themselves, Or have decisions made for them (by the universe, God, a disease, genes, etc). Would you no longer love your child? Would you ostracize them? Talk ill about them to your friends? Disown them?
Now try to take that mindset and apply it to others in similar positions.
So sorry I guess this turned into a medicated rambling sermon. :)
Cassie - PS….back to the point at hand….
I do unfollow blogs who’s content annoys me.
and while I am a christian myself, If I follow a blog because of a giveaway, and then find their content to be annoying, I will hide their feeds and or unfollow when the giveaway is over.
List of things i will unfollow off the bat:
—If you blog has anything concerning Proverbs 31 in it’s title or the word “helpmeet” I am gonna assume you are a uneducated self righteous christian koolaid drinker bent on showing off your “virtuous” works.
—-If all your content includes random completely out of context bible verses…yeah you are gone. (and for the political rant christians “my people who are called by my name” are NOT American Christians. That verse refers to Israel!)
—and if you ever join in the “are these shoes ugly?” meme. your are deleted. bye bye
—or the “like this pic if you are old enough to remember what it is” Neither cookie monster nor a potato masher are relics of a past age. Seriously!!? I know you are trying to get ppl to follow you but really, at the expense of your self esteem?
End rant!
Susan Bewley - To me, I honestly don’t care. I have friends of just about every religion. Its why I love sending people who preach too much to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It really bothered me reading the thread yesterday how many people were confused on religions. I
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Cassie - @slapdashmom, I know of a blog and forum that is a good community (and satirical writing) on the subject of people who were raised in a strict church. Many of the members are still Christian…and many are not.
But laughing at some of the absurdities of church in general seems to be therapeutic for them all. I don’t want to spam your post, but if you are interested in checking it out find me on FB (https://www.facebook.com/cassiemdow) and message me. My husband is the writer and we both come from Christian families who now see us as outsiders because of our lack of “standards” and church attendance even though we are still Christians. I know there are plenty of athiests, and agnostics as well as many other belief systems represented in the community.
FiveInOhio - Agreed, Sadie. It’s as difficult to read as it is to type. I’m not a big fan of thinking about what COULD happen. I don’t want to think about it. I think I still believe there is a hell, a Satan (or Lucifer, whichever people prefer lol), and a God, but I’m not sure how everything works. I’m not that same kid I was back in the day, I’ve learned to think for myself, and I’ve found that while I AM still conflicted about some things, I can stand back and say “This is how *I* feel, be it wrong, or right, they’re MY feelings.”
I think that the video Jesus Camp sort of sums up my childhood religious upbringing. Scary to look at that stuff and realize I LIVED it.
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Motherhood on the Rocks - I wouldn’t only because I don’t agree with their views, not because I’m afraid of Satan and not because they are different than my own, but basically because they are the polar opposite of my own. I do follow your blog and although I’m not a lesbian, I don’t think it’s wrong for anyone to be gay. My pastor is actually a lesbian and that’s one of the reasons I love my Church so much – because they don’t judge people who are gay, obviously. To me, it’s not the same thing though. I’m a Christian and although I respect people’s rights to their own religion, I wouldn’t read a blog that focuses on a religion that is the opposite of my own – worshipping anyone but God, even if it’s yourself. I don’t know if I can explain it well…but to answer your question, no.
Diane @ Philzendia - I would have no problem as long as they’re not trying to recruit me! lol!
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Ronni Keller - I can and do follow a VAST diversity of blogs. I don’t care what religion you are. I personally don’t follow any organized religious belief. Organized religion in any form to me is an oxy-moron. Your ‘faith’…. it doesn’t require organization. It requires a belief in something greater than yourself. If you live your life according to what you say you believe, that’s super. If you say “Hey, we went to church/temple/mosque etc today and did XXX and had an awesome time’… I’m happy to read about your awesome time! If you start preaching why your church/temple/mosque etc is better than the others and why I should participate in XXX alongside you… I’m out.
Everyone should believe in something, even if it’s just themselves. But when your belief steps ON mine, we have a problem.
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Tosh Durst - I have to admit, I’ve never actually “read” or know what Satanists believe. I think that word just makes a lot of us scared!
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Shai Smith - As I was reading along, I got to the responses you posted and immediately thought ‘Evil? Rapists? What?! Satanists aren’t evil, they’re just…inherently egocentric!’ :P I grew up in a Baptist church, but my mother was Wiccan. I was actually introduced to Satanism via Marilyn Manson (who doesn’t even believe in Satan, but is a Satanist, so that tells you how much ‘Satan’ is in Satanism), and studied it for a long, long time. It led to my studying of all religions. I continue to study religion in college. I’m Buddhist, personally, but I love religion – all religions. I’m not biased.
Now to answer the question: Yes, I would follow *a Satanist’S* blog, as in the blog of a person who was a Satanist. I would not follow a Satanist blog, as in a blog about Satanism, because I generally try to avoid religious blogs altogether. I prefer my religious material in book form – edited, without commentary and insults fights at the bottom of every page. lol.
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Mary - I personally love to learn about religion. I’m comfortable in my own beliefs, but I’m also not nieve (sp?) enough to think I have it all figured out either. I feel it helps me grow as a person to learn more about other people’s faith’s, and I’ve found that often they are misunderstood due to semantics between religions. I, however, probably would not follow a Satanist’s blog if that was the main topic content, because that is not my religion of choice. I also am not a Christian, and I don’t follow specifically Christian blogs. But I do find enjoyment in reading some posts now and then from other religions, and it often gives me food for thought on my own path.
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SlapDashMom - Thank you, I will check it out! :)
thevegangeek - Hmm..
Well, first, I am an atheist so the majority of those would not bother me. And yes, I would read blogs by a wide variety of people. Reading a blog doesn’t mean I always agree.
Although, I am not sure I could be close friends with somebody who identifies as a Satanist, because those who have clarified to me what that means to me, it is very different from my own values. I don’t particularly like to hang around people who think revenge and selfishness are good things. Which from everything I’ve heard from actual Satanists, these are common beliefs; if somebody wrongs them to do worse to them and to worship themselves. I would still extend the same help I extend to almost everybody and treat them with respect, just not sure we could be close friends.
Janine (Alternative Housewife) - People are ridiculous. I am getting more open-minded as I get older. I have no problem with Satanists. I’m an atheist myself and have much more beef with Christians, especially those who push their beliefs onto children. Kids are impressionable and it’s wrong wrong wrong for parents to teach kids about God as if it were based in fact.
Anya - I don’t know if anyone brought this up in the comments as I just skimmed through those after reading your article, but there are actually different kinds of Satanists. Some do not believe in an actual being named Satan, others do. It depends on which “camp” they hail from. Here is some more info on it http://altreligion.about.com/od/alternativereligionsaz/tp/Satanism-And-Luciferianism.htm
As for why so many people excluded Satanism from their accepted lists, I think it is because Satanists are connected with negativity. For the ones that worship a being of destruction called Satan, I think the source of the concern is obvious. But even the ones whose focus is on pleasure, self, etc… many see this as negative because of the selfishness it stems from. People are welcome to choose Satanism as a path for their life if they wish, but that doesn’t mean that others have to choose to connect themselves with that energy… even through something as seemingly innocuous as reading a blog. Now this is just an oversimplified interpretation, and from an outsider’s perspective no less, so it is certainly basic and watered down… but perhaps this addresses your question for you?
As someone who has had an incomprehensible number of discussions with people of all faiths, many of which who have left Christianity, I can confirm that it is generally the Christians who have driven them out of Christianity. They then struggle trying to find a place to fit in, and often feel lost and alone. In my experience, if one is drawn to another religion then they certainly should research it, figure out the hows, and whys, etc. But to let the people within a religion make you (and I mean “you” as a universal term) leave? That doesn’t make sense to me. One doesn’t follow a religion for the people. One follows a religion because one believes in the core beliefs of that religion. Not the other stuff that people try to add as time goes on, but the core. Having people of similar belief to interact with is just a bonus, not the basis. And certainly not the point.
That being said, I follow people of a wide variety of religions, beliefs, lifestyles, etc. However, I would not hesitate to unfollow someone if something about them rubbed me the wrong way… no matter what that something may be. If following their content was bothersome, it would rather defeat the purpose wouldn’t it? I once followed a page on Facebook because the profile pic featured adorable socks… sometimes our decisions are based on something real profound :)
I think a flaw in our modern culture is to expect to have the freedom of ones own beliefs, while at the same time diminishing others for disagreeing. For example, you are in a homosexual relationship. As far as I am concerned, someone else has just as much right to think that is wrong as you have to think it is right. Now I’m not saying there is anything wrong with your relationship… what I am saying is that there isn’t anything wrong with someone feeling it was wrong themselves. Why wouldn’t that be ok? They are entitled to their own opinions, and their own judgment calls. Same goes for most things you can substitute in that sentence. “Judgments” are our thoughts and opinions. Aren’t we all entitled to those opinions?
Anyway, just some info and food for thought :)
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maria elena - i follow blogs based on their content… if i find an amazing cooking blog that i follow is written by a satantist or buddhist or coco chanel-worshipper whatever, it isn’t going to matter to me unless their posts are riddled with religious references. (they get tiresome after a while, but maybe because i am an atheist!) as far as i am concerned, people can believe whatever they choose– as long as they understand i am also free to believe (or not believe) if i want =]
great post!
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